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	<title>Comments on: Singapore and Finland: looking after teachers</title>
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		<title>By: Amran</title>
		<link>http://educononline.com/2009/07/06/singapore-and-finland-looking-after-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-1516</link>
		<dc:creator>Amran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 10:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Su

Thanks for the query. Unfortunately, as I have indicated above, I cannot do so now. Perhaps the only source is to go the Straits Times own archives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Su</p>
<p>Thanks for the query. Unfortunately, as I have indicated above, I cannot do so now. Perhaps the only source is to go the Straits Times own archives.</p>
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		<title>By: Su</title>
		<link>http://educononline.com/2009/07/06/singapore-and-finland-looking-after-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-1515</link>
		<dc:creator>Su</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:38:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Amran,

thanks for the article. there is nothing online about IMH and its high teacher-patient proportion even though i&#039;ve heard on many occasions how it is true. 

Would u be ableto suggest or provide any resources on the above issue?

Thanks again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Amran,</p>
<p>thanks for the article. there is nothing online about IMH and its high teacher-patient proportion even though i&#8217;ve heard on many occasions how it is true. </p>
<p>Would u be ableto suggest or provide any resources on the above issue?</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
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		<title>By: Amran</title>
		<link>http://educononline.com/2009/07/06/singapore-and-finland-looking-after-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>Amran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 23:27:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Wen Shih. 

Yes, I agree and our people in MOE have been visiting them. But there seemed to be a stubborn refusal to learn from Finland. Perhaps our &quot;success&quot; have got to our heads. It becomes difficult to claim that we are an educational leader when we say we ourselves are following Finland. 

Will our neighbors who have been regarding in such high esteem want to follow our model? Will our plans to be an educational hub and earn all the money that comes with it, for example, iPSLE for schools in the neighboring region, be torpedoed if we follow Finland. Will we also reduce our class sizes which the MOE have claimed all these while to be irrelevant but still used it for the Gifted Programme? Will the MOE be willing to give up the examination-centered approach and admit that they are a poor way to assess learning?

Thanks again.
Amran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Wen Shih. </p>
<p>Yes, I agree and our people in MOE have been visiting them. But there seemed to be a stubborn refusal to learn from Finland. Perhaps our &#8220;success&#8221; have got to our heads. It becomes difficult to claim that we are an educational leader when we say we ourselves are following Finland. </p>
<p>Will our neighbors who have been regarding in such high esteem want to follow our model? Will our plans to be an educational hub and earn all the money that comes with it, for example, iPSLE for schools in the neighboring region, be torpedoed if we follow Finland. Will we also reduce our class sizes which the MOE have claimed all these while to be irrelevant but still used it for the Gifted Programme? Will the MOE be willing to give up the examination-centered approach and admit that they are a poor way to assess learning?</p>
<p>Thanks again.<br />
Amran</p>
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		<title>By: Wen Shih</title>
		<link>http://educononline.com/2009/07/06/singapore-and-finland-looking-after-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-396</link>
		<dc:creator>Wen Shih</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:22:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
  Thanks for your article. It would be great if we could learn from Finland about its emphasis on conducive working conditions.
Cheers,
Wen Shih</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
  Thanks for your article. It would be great if we could learn from Finland about its emphasis on conducive working conditions.<br />
Cheers,<br />
Wen Shih</p>
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		<title>By: Amran</title>
		<link>http://educononline.com/2009/07/06/singapore-and-finland-looking-after-teachers/comment-page-1/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>Amran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 09:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the comments, Ben. I think our education system did its job well with regards to the problems of the immediate post-independence period. The students may be employable but if that&#039;s all being fed into the employment ranks, do employers have much of a choice? They will take whatever they can. Then they will complain loudly that the schools are not even good at producing people who can do good work at the work place. The founder of Creative Technologies has once quite candidly given in the Straits Times an example of the local engineers inability to come up with creative solutions in comparison to their American counterparts. 

Well the turnover rate is low because we have already stratified the students into abilities. The not so good are channeled to the ITEs and so on. But the stratification of these students is based largely on a very narrow band of intelligence. Those who display logical-mathematical and linguistic intelligences are deemed smart. MOE doesn&#039;t care about those with other intelligences.

As I have also written in another post, it is interesting that SOTA and the Sports SChool was set up by other ministries not MOE. MOE is only interested in narrow definition of intelligence. They have a hand in the NUS High School and I suspect the Assumption Pathway School. The first is for obvious reasons. The second I suspect is to get the &quot;troublesome kids&quot; out of the main schools so the rest can learn. 

Just look at other figures like the number of students now being referred to IMH. There is an alarming increase. Is this a successful system?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments, Ben. I think our education system did its job well with regards to the problems of the immediate post-independence period. The students may be employable but if that&#8217;s all being fed into the employment ranks, do employers have much of a choice? They will take whatever they can. Then they will complain loudly that the schools are not even good at producing people who can do good work at the work place. The founder of Creative Technologies has once quite candidly given in the Straits Times an example of the local engineers inability to come up with creative solutions in comparison to their American counterparts. </p>
<p>Well the turnover rate is low because we have already stratified the students into abilities. The not so good are channeled to the ITEs and so on. But the stratification of these students is based largely on a very narrow band of intelligence. Those who display logical-mathematical and linguistic intelligences are deemed smart. MOE doesn&#8217;t care about those with other intelligences.</p>
<p>As I have also written in another post, it is interesting that SOTA and the Sports SChool was set up by other ministries not MOE. MOE is only interested in narrow definition of intelligence. They have a hand in the NUS High School and I suspect the Assumption Pathway School. The first is for obvious reasons. The second I suspect is to get the &#8220;troublesome kids&#8221; out of the main schools so the rest can learn. </p>
<p>Just look at other figures like the number of students now being referred to IMH. There is an alarming increase. Is this a successful system?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those the statisitics refer to are the ones who end up being admitted. It does not include the ones who are currently seeking psychological help or are unaware of their problem. In a recent comment by PM Lee, he insists that education in SG is successful, citing how employable the students are. I think it&#039;s like saying the paper company is successful because they sell a lot of products. As we now know, if you destroy the environment through massive deforestation to make the paper, it&#039;s not SUSTAINABLE. At the rate of turnover (which MOE insists is 2%), not to mention those who kill themselves and end up crazy, I think it&#039;s not sustainable in the long run. It&#039;s just very short sighted. I feel they are more interested in appearing in the papers than educating anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those the statisitics refer to are the ones who end up being admitted. It does not include the ones who are currently seeking psychological help or are unaware of their problem. In a recent comment by PM Lee, he insists that education in SG is successful, citing how employable the students are. I think it&#8217;s like saying the paper company is successful because they sell a lot of products. As we now know, if you destroy the environment through massive deforestation to make the paper, it&#8217;s not SUSTAINABLE. At the rate of turnover (which MOE insists is 2%), not to mention those who kill themselves and end up crazy, I think it&#8217;s not sustainable in the long run. It&#8217;s just very short sighted. I feel they are more interested in appearing in the papers than educating anyone.</p>
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